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Added by Koorah, 13-06-2007, links to http://uk.gamespot.com/video/939980/6172366/untitled-id-software-proje...
Graphics whore pin-up John Carmack recently showcased a tech demo of id Softwares new graphics engine and Gamespot have the movie. Thankfully, this one wasn't masquerading as a proper game.
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The concept of this tech is pretty cool - should make for some excellent outdoor-based games.
If he could stop tinkering and push Quake Wars out the door it would be cool, too ;)
If he could stop tinkering and push Quake Wars out the door it would be cool, too ;)
aye. I know he's a genius but man he sounds like such a geek.
which isn't necessarily a bad thing. in small doses. inbetween sessions of Quake Wars carnage.
Were there no geeks, there'd be no games.
This is great news! I can't wait for Doom 4!
Try watching the video Bobi, thats a canyon not a corridor.
the engine's called Tech 5, I believe - the link calls it "untitled software project"... ah, oops. as it says in the video lol
Yeah Bobi, 'cause licensed I.D. engines only ever get ued for I.D. games...
Actually DB, inspired as I was by Mr B's pedantry, may I point out that its "id" software as in "Monsters from the..." rather than I.D. as in "Aye Dee".
Carry on.
Carry on.
You missed out an apostrophe in 'its'. It should be 'it's'. As in 'it is'.
:)
:)
Ah yes. I was distracted by my massive carrot.
I'm so disillusioned by tech demos these days I can't be f**ked to watch it... BRING ME THE f**kING GAMES INNIT!
How can you be disillusioned by a tech demo?
"I was expecting to see a demonstration of a new graphics engine, but all we got was a demonstration of a new graphics engine. I'm so disillusioned."
Erm...???
"I was expecting to see a demonstration of a new graphics engine, but all we got was a demonstration of a new graphics engine. I'm so disillusioned."
Erm...???
A demonstration of a game engine alludes to the shape of gaming to come. It's as pointless as that Xmen teaser trailer way back when. Yes. There's a new Xmen movie coming out. Great. All that effort just to render a logo.
Pointless.
Show me the games.
Pointless.
Show me the games.
Yes your immunity to hype is well documented.
LOL, he just digs himself in every single time. Classic.
The X-Men comparison isn't a good one - the games with this tech are irrelevant at this stage.
It's the proof of concept that is important.
Carmack's proved that he can create a tech system that allows developers to build full-distance visuals with a level of detail on the textures that hasn't been seen before. This is a cool thing for gamers, regardless of the game: no more fog in the distance because the engine can't handle full-distance rendering; no more "I'm lost because this place looks exactly the same as the last place" because of texture limitations; no more "Please wait... LOADING" rubbish when moving about outside.
It's as important a step forward as rag-doll physics, HDR lighting etc etc - everything else that we've come to expect in games.
And once somebody tells me how much disk space the 20GB texture Carmack talks about in the video takes up (how much is it compressed???), as well as how long the initial load of the level takes, I'll be very excited.
From an industry point of view, it's exciting anyway.
It's the proof of concept that is important.
Carmack's proved that he can create a tech system that allows developers to build full-distance visuals with a level of detail on the textures that hasn't been seen before. This is a cool thing for gamers, regardless of the game: no more fog in the distance because the engine can't handle full-distance rendering; no more "I'm lost because this place looks exactly the same as the last place" because of texture limitations; no more "Please wait... LOADING" rubbish when moving about outside.
It's as important a step forward as rag-doll physics, HDR lighting etc etc - everything else that we've come to expect in games.
And once somebody tells me how much disk space the 20GB texture Carmack talks about in the video takes up (how much is it compressed???), as well as how long the initial load of the level takes, I'll be very excited.
From an industry point of view, it's exciting anyway.
I agree it's quite exciting. I was just expressing my own personal apathy is all...
Totally understand mate. Hopefully the technical side of it won't *just* require an uber-PC, and the consoles will benefit from this too.
I wonder if the days where all of us here actually liked the same game at the same time are long gone.
Was there ever such a game? Q2 maybe? Doom? Maybe Tomb Raider?
I wonder if the days where all of us here actually liked the same game at the same time are long gone.
Was there ever such a game? Q2 maybe? Doom? Maybe Tomb Raider?
Never been such a time. Closest was SWG or WoW I think.
I remember some games most of us liked at some time, oldies....classics.
Q2 for sure, Serious Sam, Max Payne I seem to remember didn`t have a single bad word against it.
I think Thief won most of us over, along with Half Life (The first one)
I wonder what it is that is lacking from modern titles, that use to make us all sit up and say "I want THAT game." and then for all to buy it and not be disappointed aftwards?
Q2 for sure, Serious Sam, Max Payne I seem to remember didn`t have a single bad word against it.
I think Thief won most of us over, along with Half Life (The first one)
I wonder what it is that is lacking from modern titles, that use to make us all sit up and say "I want THAT game." and then for all to buy it and not be disappointed aftwards?
University, Babies, long-distance relocation...? It all adds up I think :S
No.
That doesn`t stop you WANTING to buy the game. That doesn`t have anything to do with the game at all.
And I don`t believe that anyone here has actualy stopped buying game titles due to any of what you mentioned. Maybe not as many, but everyone here is gaming.
But back to the point: I remember a time when most of us would all be interested in the same game, but not anymore. Why?
Diversity in games? I don`t believe that. Games could be put into about 7,8 basic categories, despite the huge number of cross platform titles out there.
Maybe games now lack imagination. Could also be interpreted as `nothing original` comes out. It`s all been done before. etc
I`m talking about the effect the game has, not about the life of the gamer.
That doesn`t stop you WANTING to buy the game. That doesn`t have anything to do with the game at all.
And I don`t believe that anyone here has actualy stopped buying game titles due to any of what you mentioned. Maybe not as many, but everyone here is gaming.
But back to the point: I remember a time when most of us would all be interested in the same game, but not anymore. Why?
Diversity in games? I don`t believe that. Games could be put into about 7,8 basic categories, despite the huge number of cross platform titles out there.
Maybe games now lack imagination. Could also be interpreted as `nothing original` comes out. It`s all been done before. etc
I`m talking about the effect the game has, not about the life of the gamer.
The things Bobi mentions don't stop gaming true, but they stop regimented gaming, no longer able to say 'I'll be there at 8PM til whenever' or just be ever present online. Even my gaming time is less than it used to be, but I'm happy with that, I've got a girl that tolerates my gaming habit, so I pay her back in kind .. I allow her 5 minutes a day away from the kitchen. :) And people have said I'm mean. Pah. ;)
I don't go with the 'nothing original' thing either... Forza 2 is exactly that, totally, and unabashedly nothing new, but it is so fvckin' good! I personally think the main culprit other than pure time available is simply the multi-platforms. I just can't get as enthused about PC gaming as I did, now that I have a power house of an X360 and a sofa to mong out on. I have to review the new City of Heroes expansion, so I guess I'll be PC bound for a week or so.
Mr.Rah, you still playing it?
Mr.Rah, you still playing it?
Yeah, but I`m not talking about regimented gaming or meeting up with people. All the games I mentioned were primarily single player.
Max Payne, for example. don`t think anyone I knew didn`t buy, play, and love this game, and then talked about it loads with all the other people who owned it when they met up. "Have you done this part?" "Have you managed to bullet dodge while..."
I`m talking about the Holy grail of titles. Those games so unmissable and different, that its probably on everybodies shelf. Why don`t those games exist anymore?
Who doesn`t own, and who didn`t enjoy Half Life 1?
Max Payne, for example. don`t think anyone I knew didn`t buy, play, and love this game, and then talked about it loads with all the other people who owned it when they met up. "Have you done this part?" "Have you managed to bullet dodge while..."
I`m talking about the Holy grail of titles. Those games so unmissable and different, that its probably on everybodies shelf. Why don`t those games exist anymore?
Who doesn`t own, and who didn`t enjoy Half Life 1?
I don`t believe the `nothing original` either. It was a question, not my opinion.
Was just wondering why certain titles aren`t singled out as `must buys` anymore. I put it down to massive choice of titles across a large number of platforms.
In the old days, most people I knew had a PC, Playstation or both. Most of those owned Doom on PC and Wipeout on playstation.
What is the current Doom or Wipeout? (although from what I`ve read here, maybe Forza 2 is the current Wipeout?)
Was just wondering why certain titles aren`t singled out as `must buys` anymore. I put it down to massive choice of titles across a large number of platforms.
In the old days, most people I knew had a PC, Playstation or both. Most of those owned Doom on PC and Wipeout on playstation.
What is the current Doom or Wipeout? (although from what I`ve read here, maybe Forza 2 is the current Wipeout?)
OK. So if we're not talking about actually 'being into games' on a personal level, then I won't blame external factors.
For me though, it's a case of gracefully 'bowing-out' of the PC super-arms race and cutting myself off from a lot of games that people here like.
I agree, the closest we've all come together in a single game would have to be WoW. And while that was going on, I loved it. I stopped loving it when addiction set in and people either had to level to 60 ASAP or abandon it forever. Eventually, I choose the latter option and settled back into console toyland, with suited me fine, because I had an awful lot of pressing distractions anyway.
So to hell with it, it really is about the time you have, no matter how much you like it. I would dearly love to play WoW again, but I know that if I do, I won't be able to do anything but. As I'm sure Koorah will testify, when you have less time to play, you're an awful lot more choosy about which games you want to play and this in turn polarises are tastes even further. i.e. Koorah likes playing wargame FPSs, but he's rather enjoying CoH. He has 1 night a week to play games, so obviously he chooses that.
Anyway, right now it's getting on for 9.30, I still haven't picked up my controller yet and I need to cook dinner at some point before I crash at approx midnight in order to be able to cope with the festival insanity at work tomorrow...
...did I mention I'm off to spend the weekend in a wendy house at Glastonbury on thursday?
For me though, it's a case of gracefully 'bowing-out' of the PC super-arms race and cutting myself off from a lot of games that people here like.
I agree, the closest we've all come together in a single game would have to be WoW. And while that was going on, I loved it. I stopped loving it when addiction set in and people either had to level to 60 ASAP or abandon it forever. Eventually, I choose the latter option and settled back into console toyland, with suited me fine, because I had an awful lot of pressing distractions anyway.
So to hell with it, it really is about the time you have, no matter how much you like it. I would dearly love to play WoW again, but I know that if I do, I won't be able to do anything but. As I'm sure Koorah will testify, when you have less time to play, you're an awful lot more choosy about which games you want to play and this in turn polarises are tastes even further. i.e. Koorah likes playing wargame FPSs, but he's rather enjoying CoH. He has 1 night a week to play games, so obviously he chooses that.
Anyway, right now it's getting on for 9.30, I still haven't picked up my controller yet and I need to cook dinner at some point before I crash at approx midnight in order to be able to cope with the festival insanity at work tomorrow...
...did I mention I'm off to spend the weekend in a wendy house at Glastonbury on thursday?
All valid points, and a good debate, for sure.
When I was enforcing regimented, I made sure I played what I wanted to play, and if I could hook up with people *and have quality gaming*, I would. The Day Of Defeat bots stuff some years back was an amazing session.
We're all different people from who we were 5 years ago, 10 years ago. We're still the *same* people, but we've moved on, "specialised" in our gaming time, assigned it to one night a week so we can experience what else life has to offer, or forgotten about the rest of life and let gaming become our lives (raises hand). All of it is good, none of it's bad.
Gaming has changed too. It's no longer got one or two cool games that *everyone* is playing (Doom, TR, Lemmings lol), the market is saturated with quality games, and some s**t ones too. This gives all of us the choice that we didn't have for years. Yes, we all liked Max Payne, but did we all like it for the same reasons? Gaming today caters for niche gaming down to the smallest detail.
The BF series caters for me when I can be alfed to ignore the s**te that comes with it (non-team play, aaaaargh).
WoW caters for me when I just want to numb my brain and grind s**t, see how long I'm going to talk to my f**king stalker before I /ignore him, and say hi and have a quiet laugh with the guild folk (of which there are 4).
CoD2 caters for me when I need to channel my rage with a tinnie on my desk. I've played that all night tonight, had some great games, changed my nick to RageMonkeyUK as RMU needs to go.
The choice is the key here, I think. And as a result individually we're happy more often than as a group with games. This is perhaps a good thing.
The downside of course is the complete and utter intolerance we have with each other's gaming habits lol. I know we all mean it in jest, but it has splintered gaming units here, and created smaller ones. This both a good thing and could be a bad thing, depends how much you pine for the good ol' days.
The market has exploded; choice has exploded; diversity has arrived and been embraced.
Gaming is cool for me at the moment - the games, the industry trying to scramble to expand in a new market. I'll be bored of it when people stop being passionate about it, whether it's WW2 games or a driving game on the XBoX 3sixty. Reading people's passion about stuff is addictive, regardless of what the stuff is. It's become less about the games and more about the individual, asserting their game on the rest of us and not giving a s**t about whether anybody else here plays it.
This is probably the best thing of all.
IMHO etc
When I was enforcing regimented, I made sure I played what I wanted to play, and if I could hook up with people *and have quality gaming*, I would. The Day Of Defeat bots stuff some years back was an amazing session.
We're all different people from who we were 5 years ago, 10 years ago. We're still the *same* people, but we've moved on, "specialised" in our gaming time, assigned it to one night a week so we can experience what else life has to offer, or forgotten about the rest of life and let gaming become our lives (raises hand). All of it is good, none of it's bad.
Gaming has changed too. It's no longer got one or two cool games that *everyone* is playing (Doom, TR, Lemmings lol), the market is saturated with quality games, and some s**t ones too. This gives all of us the choice that we didn't have for years. Yes, we all liked Max Payne, but did we all like it for the same reasons? Gaming today caters for niche gaming down to the smallest detail.
The BF series caters for me when I can be alfed to ignore the s**te that comes with it (non-team play, aaaaargh).
WoW caters for me when I just want to numb my brain and grind s**t, see how long I'm going to talk to my f**king stalker before I /ignore him, and say hi and have a quiet laugh with the guild folk (of which there are 4).
CoD2 caters for me when I need to channel my rage with a tinnie on my desk. I've played that all night tonight, had some great games, changed my nick to RageMonkeyUK as RMU needs to go.
The choice is the key here, I think. And as a result individually we're happy more often than as a group with games. This is perhaps a good thing.
The downside of course is the complete and utter intolerance we have with each other's gaming habits lol. I know we all mean it in jest, but it has splintered gaming units here, and created smaller ones. This both a good thing and could be a bad thing, depends how much you pine for the good ol' days.
The market has exploded; choice has exploded; diversity has arrived and been embraced.
Gaming is cool for me at the moment - the games, the industry trying to scramble to expand in a new market. I'll be bored of it when people stop being passionate about it, whether it's WW2 games or a driving game on the XBoX 3sixty. Reading people's passion about stuff is addictive, regardless of what the stuff is. It's become less about the games and more about the individual, asserting their game on the rest of us and not giving a s**t about whether anybody else here plays it.
This is probably the best thing of all.
IMHO etc
ok, I think I`ve been misunderstood. I wasn`t saying time isn`t a factor, I was saying if time wasn`t a factor.
lol! I`m not actually arguing anything here. All I really asked is what stops titles coming out that end up on most peoples shelves?
I mean, despite our time constraints, platform preference, platform choice, personal tastes, niche gaming, amount of games available, it was only last year that the majority of people posting on this thread bought and played Oblivion. I was under the impression that most were impressed with it, I was, I still am. (Will finish it one day too.) :)
What I mean is what makes a game good enough to feature in the collection of a bunch of diverse gamers, such as the people here.
lol! I`m not actually arguing anything here. All I really asked is what stops titles coming out that end up on most peoples shelves?
I mean, despite our time constraints, platform preference, platform choice, personal tastes, niche gaming, amount of games available, it was only last year that the majority of people posting on this thread bought and played Oblivion. I was under the impression that most were impressed with it, I was, I still am. (Will finish it one day too.) :)
What I mean is what makes a game good enough to feature in the collection of a bunch of diverse gamers, such as the people here.
Or in other words... what was it about World of Warcraft that made us all want to play it. All at the same time?
Onion Rings invaders!!!
lol!
But no, that wasn`t my question. WoW comes under the category of the games I`m talking about, yes.
My question was:
what makes a game good enough to feature in the collection of a bunch of diverse gamers, such as the people here.
My question was not, in any words:
what was it about World of Warcraft that made us all want to play it. All at the same time?
But anyway, I`m giving up with this. Feels like an uphill struggle.
But no, that wasn`t my question. WoW comes under the category of the games I`m talking about, yes.
My question was:
what makes a game good enough to feature in the collection of a bunch of diverse gamers, such as the people here.
My question was not, in any words:
what was it about World of Warcraft that made us all want to play it. All at the same time?
But anyway, I`m giving up with this. Feels like an uphill struggle.
Zombie - I realise you weren't part of the WoW craze yourself, but I'm sorry:
"what makes a game good enough to feature in the collection of a bunch of diverse gamers, such as the people here."
= "What makes WoW so great".
Because it was the only game in recent memory that had the majority of us here playing at once.
Answer:
Accessible multi-player CO-OP Gaming for a monthly fee.
It f**king did the trick. For a time...
"what makes a game good enough to feature in the collection of a bunch of diverse gamers, such as the people here."
= "What makes WoW so great".
Because it was the only game in recent memory that had the majority of us here playing at once.
Answer:
Accessible multi-player CO-OP Gaming for a monthly fee.
It f**king did the trick. For a time...
I`m not bothered about WoW, but I haven`t disregarded it in any of my comments. You seem to be a little obsessed with WoW at the moment, which has made you re-word the more than apt words I have chosen. You are continously misunderstanding, intentionaly or otherwise, I don`t know.
I already said `YES` WoW was `ONE` of those games in one of my previous comments, but this isn`t a competition. But if it gets it out of your head:
WELL DONE. WoW WINS. GIVE IT A MEDAL. (applause) move on.
WoW might be the only game in recent memory for you, but as I already mentioned: Oblivion. We all owned Oblivion at the same time, what made that feature in all of our collections?
Multiplayer....no.
CO-OP..........no.
Monthly Fee....no.
Fantasy setting.....maybe thats one of the things that appeals to all people here. Fantasy setting appeared in Oblivion and WoW. Do you begin to understand the question now?
I cannot make it any clearer.
I already said `YES` WoW was `ONE` of those games in one of my previous comments, but this isn`t a competition. But if it gets it out of your head:
WELL DONE. WoW WINS. GIVE IT A MEDAL. (applause) move on.
WoW might be the only game in recent memory for you, but as I already mentioned: Oblivion. We all owned Oblivion at the same time, what made that feature in all of our collections?
Multiplayer....no.
CO-OP..........no.
Monthly Fee....no.
Fantasy setting.....maybe thats one of the things that appeals to all people here. Fantasy setting appeared in Oblivion and WoW. Do you begin to understand the question now?
I cannot make it any clearer.
I can take or leave the fantasy setting TBH. I just want to feel like I'm doing whatever it is I'm doing in-game: Oblivion did this well, the WW2 shooters mostly do this well.
Ironically, WoW does give the impression of a seamless world that you are part of - at the office here we're often talking about "yeah, spent the night grinding wolves in Duskwood" like it's a real place. WoW does this well. But the gameplay is so samey it's ridiculous sometimes. WoW's a strange beast to try and understand, for sure.
One of the reasons WoW worked for us all, I think, and Galaxies to some extent, was it bringing us all together and enabling Alfies to play as a unit
Ironically, WoW does give the impression of a seamless world that you are part of - at the office here we're often talking about "yeah, spent the night grinding wolves in Duskwood" like it's a real place. WoW does this well. But the gameplay is so samey it's ridiculous sometimes. WoW's a strange beast to try and understand, for sure.
One of the reasons WoW worked for us all, I think, and Galaxies to some extent, was it bringing us all together and enabling Alfies to play as a unit
I think the collective 'ownership' of Oblivion was briefer and less extensive than it was with WoW, but I can see where you're coming from. I never misunderstood your point in the first place, I just gave you my honest answer to the question.
What makes a game we all like at the same time?
I don't know if I can put it into words, but I'd be willing to put money down that the next one's Bioshock*
*Except for DB of course, who will be off playing with himself in PS3 Land.
What makes a game we all like at the same time?
I don't know if I can put it into words, but I'd be willing to put money down that the next one's Bioshock*
*Except for DB of course, who will be off playing with himself in PS3 Land.
This is cool!
This is more what I was thinking.
So fantasy setting Ebow can take or leave, as I understand, but as long as the game is immersive and has a life of its own going on around the players character, regardless of there own actions and involvement, Ebow would be more interested, which is why I`m guessing Ebow picked up S.T.A.L.K.E.R.? It`s the reason I did and also why I`m interested in Bioshock.
"Maybe it's the ability of the games to make you just stand and watch sometimes...." Hadn`t really thought of the MP side of this, but do agree. The amount of times I stop my fragging to watch a dog fight in whatever era my digital battleground was at the time. Would often watch tower battles in Anarchy.
Been able to team up and kill stuff with your mates seems to be a points winner, too. Hell yeah!! :)
One of my own likes is freedom in a game. Although I`m talking more the mmorpg/Oblivion/STALKER freedom. Pick a compass heading and say "I`m going that way today, I wonder what`s over there?"
This is more what I was thinking.
So fantasy setting Ebow can take or leave, as I understand, but as long as the game is immersive and has a life of its own going on around the players character, regardless of there own actions and involvement, Ebow would be more interested, which is why I`m guessing Ebow picked up S.T.A.L.K.E.R.? It`s the reason I did and also why I`m interested in Bioshock.
"Maybe it's the ability of the games to make you just stand and watch sometimes...." Hadn`t really thought of the MP side of this, but do agree. The amount of times I stop my fragging to watch a dog fight in whatever era my digital battleground was at the time. Would often watch tower battles in Anarchy.
Been able to team up and kill stuff with your mates seems to be a points winner, too. Hell yeah!! :)
One of my own likes is freedom in a game. Although I`m talking more the mmorpg/Oblivion/STALKER freedom. Pick a compass heading and say "I`m going that way today, I wonder what`s over there?"
Yeah agree re: lack of involvement i ncertain parts of the game. It's great to sit back and watch sometimes. The Thing with WoW though, is that it's built around a casual gaming mindset, so it's stuff really well.
I think this discussion is seriously going to dig up why WoW was/is/shouldn't be so amazing...
I think this discussion is seriously going to dig up why WoW was/is/shouldn't be so amazing...
